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	<title>Comments on: Inside PR #21 &#8211; Tuesday, August 22, 2006</title>
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		<title>By: Paull R Young</title>
		<link>http://www.insidepr.ca/index.php/2006/08/22/inside-pr-21-tuesday-august-22-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator>Paull R Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys,

I think this was an excellent show and I enjoyed listening to your considered analysis of the issues.

Your thoughts have been guiding my thinking on the topic of late - deeply interesting stuff.

I&#039;ve just come across an excellent post on the difference between grassroots mobilization and astroturfing.

It&#039;s from Christie Goldman, APR, &lt;a href=&quot;http://prsanantonio.blogspot.com/2006/09/astroturfing-slippery-when-wet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at the San Antonio Byline blog&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s probably one of the clearest and best articulated explanations I&#039;ve come across.

Here&#039;s an excerpt:
&lt;i&gt;Real grass is unpredictable. It doesn’t grow evenly. Sometimes, weeds pop up. Grass needs the right amount of water and sunlight. Often, it needs to be nourished by a little fertilizer. Working with it is messy business. It takes time to grow. But once it gets going, it is strong and long-lasting. Watered grass smells really good.

Watered Astrotuf is slippery. Astrotuf is, by definition, artificial. It leads to injuries. Each Astroturf field has a hand-selected texture, hand-selected fiber, hand-selected pad, and hand-selected color. Astroturf is easily controlled. 

When public relations works with a grassroots campaign, it provides support. PR may provide resources or counsel. It’s complicated and it takes time. 

When public relations works with an Astroturf campaign, it does so to be in control. PR becomes deceptive and manipulative. It’s relatively easy and fast. 

Astroturfing clearly is not an ethical practice.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys,</p>
<p>I think this was an excellent show and I enjoyed listening to your considered analysis of the issues.</p>
<p>Your thoughts have been guiding my thinking on the topic of late &#8211; deeply interesting stuff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just come across an excellent post on the difference between grassroots mobilization and astroturfing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s from Christie Goldman, APR, <a href="http://prsanantonio.blogspot.com/2006/09/astroturfing-slippery-when-wet.html" rel="nofollow">at the San Antonio Byline blog</a>. It&#8217;s probably one of the clearest and best articulated explanations I&#8217;ve come across.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an excerpt:<br />
<i>Real grass is unpredictable. It doesn’t grow evenly. Sometimes, weeds pop up. Grass needs the right amount of water and sunlight. Often, it needs to be nourished by a little fertilizer. Working with it is messy business. It takes time to grow. But once it gets going, it is strong and long-lasting. Watered grass smells really good.</p>
<p>Watered Astrotuf is slippery. Astrotuf is, by definition, artificial. It leads to injuries. Each Astroturf field has a hand-selected texture, hand-selected fiber, hand-selected pad, and hand-selected color. Astroturf is easily controlled. </p>
<p>When public relations works with a grassroots campaign, it provides support. PR may provide resources or counsel. It’s complicated and it takes time. </p>
<p>When public relations works with an Astroturf campaign, it does so to be in control. PR becomes deceptive and manipulative. It’s relatively easy and fast. </p>
<p>Astroturfing clearly is not an ethical practice.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.insidepr.ca/index.php/2006/08/22/inside-pr-21-tuesday-august-22-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your great comment Jamey.  Glad to know you&#039;re listening.  The astroturfing issue is interesting and important.  You may be interested in the following blog post from the co-founder of our firm Joseph Thornley. http://www.propr.ca/index.php/2006/astroturf-or-legitimate-grassroots-mobilization-kami-huyse-answers-my-question.  Thanks for listening...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your great comment Jamey.  Glad to know you&#8217;re listening.  The astroturfing issue is interesting and important.  You may be interested in the following blog post from the co-founder of our firm Joseph Thornley. <a href="http://www.propr.ca/index.php/2006/astroturf-or-legitimate-grassroots-mobilization-kami-huyse-answers-my-question" rel="nofollow">http://www.propr.ca/index.php/2006/astroturf-or-legitimate-grassroots-mobilization-kami-huyse-answers-my-question</a>.  Thanks for listening&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey Shiels</title>
		<link>http://www.insidepr.ca/index.php/2006/08/22/inside-pr-21-tuesday-august-22-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-1591</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamey Shiels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the info on you guys from Terry&#039;s guest hosting of FIR. Episode 21 was my first listen. Excellent podcast, 30 minutes (my commute time to work), on topic with excellent examples.

I truly appreciated the conversation on astroturfing, especially the case study/example.  I work for The Salvation Army in Wisconsin as the Marketing/PR Director. This is an important issue and we have to tread lightly in how we tell our story. I&#039;m very concerned about remaining authentic and transparent in how we involve donors and volunteers in sharing, spreading and experiencing the work of The Salvation Army.We thrive on grassroots efforts and need to make sure they&#039;re authentic to maintain our credibility.

I&#039;ll be listening from now on. Thank you guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the info on you guys from Terry&#8217;s guest hosting of FIR. Episode 21 was my first listen. Excellent podcast, 30 minutes (my commute time to work), on topic with excellent examples.</p>
<p>I truly appreciated the conversation on astroturfing, especially the case study/example.  I work for The Salvation Army in Wisconsin as the Marketing/PR Director. This is an important issue and we have to tread lightly in how we tell our story. I&#8217;m very concerned about remaining authentic and transparent in how we involve donors and volunteers in sharing, spreading and experiencing the work of The Salvation Army.We thrive on grassroots efforts and need to make sure they&#8217;re authentic to maintain our credibility.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be listening from now on. Thank you guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.insidepr.ca/index.php/2006/08/22/inside-pr-21-tuesday-august-22-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-1490</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kelly, thanks for dropping in.  Interesting point you raise.  The more one thinks about this issue, the more complex it seems to become.  Thanks for your contribution and it&#039;s nice to have a set of ears in the Peg...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kelly, thanks for dropping in.  Interesting point you raise.  The more one thinks about this issue, the more complex it seems to become.  Thanks for your contribution and it&#8217;s nice to have a set of ears in the Peg&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.insidepr.ca/index.php/2006/08/22/inside-pr-21-tuesday-august-22-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-1484</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys!

First time listening to the cast and lovin&#039; it. 

The topic is of specific interest for me because I have been approached in the past to plan and manage a campaign based solely on astroturfing.

Happily, I turned down the request, but not after doing some diggin on the strategy behind the marketing tactics. When you gave the real-world example, and a great one it was, you were looking for elements in the situation that together would combine and define an astroturfing example. I think that the instance you described is not traditional astroturfing because although it had many elements that are required for the definition, it lacked one essential element.

This cherry on top of the astroturfing sundae is always a planned, structured and collaborative effort. As an individual this would not, in my opinion, be defined as astroturfing.

Keep the great casts coming. Between you, Jaffe and Mitch Joel and getting inspired to start the new marketing podcast from smack in the middle of the prairies here in Winnipeg!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys!</p>
<p>First time listening to the cast and lovin&#8217; it. </p>
<p>The topic is of specific interest for me because I have been approached in the past to plan and manage a campaign based solely on astroturfing.</p>
<p>Happily, I turned down the request, but not after doing some diggin on the strategy behind the marketing tactics. When you gave the real-world example, and a great one it was, you were looking for elements in the situation that together would combine and define an astroturfing example. I think that the instance you described is not traditional astroturfing because although it had many elements that are required for the definition, it lacked one essential element.</p>
<p>This cherry on top of the astroturfing sundae is always a planned, structured and collaborative effort. As an individual this would not, in my opinion, be defined as astroturfing.</p>
<p>Keep the great casts coming. Between you, Jaffe and Mitch Joel and getting inspired to start the new marketing podcast from smack in the middle of the prairies here in Winnipeg!</p>
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