As radio fades, can podcasting survive the attention of advertisers? – IPR 537

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Joe had a moment of surprise when he realized that, not only does he no longer listens to radio, he doesn’t even own a radio! Over the past few years, he had transferred his listening time from linear radio to on-demand podcasts. And he hadn’t even noticed the shift in his media consumption – until his wife threw out the last radio in their house.

A recent report out of the UK suggests that Joe isn’t alone:

Since 2010, around 840,000 15 to 24-year-olds have switched off for good, according to research from Enders Analysis. And among the 6.5 million or so who do still tune in, the amount of time they spend listening has plummeted 29% between 2010 and 2018.


Both Martin and Gini also have noticed a shift in their media consumption. Not just one that adds to their daily information diet. But a shift that has replaced one medium with another.

So, if podcasting is constituting a greater portion of many people’s media consumption, you just know that advertisers are eyeing it and entrepreneurs are looking to provide them with a new medium to reach consumers. We’ve seen Spotify’s big move, acquiring Gimlet and Anchor. This is unlikely to be the last move of this sort.

As others follow, what does that mean for the open podcasting system that has let enthusiast and professional podcasters coexist? Will services like Spotify start to push the enthusiasts off to the side, out of sight, as they promote their own professionally produced podcasts so that they can maximize revenue? Sound familiar? Substitute the words blog and Facebook for podcasts and Spotify.

So, is this the end? Not necessarily. It may be possible for two systems of podcasting to existing together, thanks to things like Patreon, which didn’t exist during the rise of Facebook and the decline of blogs, along with membership-oriented initiatives life that being advanced by outlets like Slate.

If you’re a listener to Inside PR, it’s probable that you too have made room for podcasting by reducing your consumption of other media. Have you done this consciously or has it crept up on you. Do you see a future for enthusiast podcasts like Inside PR — or will we soon go the way of MySpace?

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Inside PR 2.34 – Wednesday, December 22, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe finish discussing the trends of 2010 in their final episode of the year.

0:30 Martin opens the show.

1:36 Joe continues on the discussion by talking about his next trend, the social networking darlings: Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.

3:32 Gini references a chart by Business Insider that demonstrates how Twitter is being used.

4:00 Joe cites two Canadian examples of how Twitter is being used as a newswire of sorts.

6:16 Gini brings up the next trend: The PR industry talks about measurement a lot but we don’t really seem to know how to do it.

7:31 Joe mentions a post by Jeremiah Owyang on the subject that he recommends checking out.

8:35 Martin doesn’t think algorithims can explain it all. We need a human perspective.

9:00 Martin talks about a new trend: Too many PR practitioners are focusing too much on broadcasting and not enough on building relationships.

10:06 Joe talks about his final trend for 2010: The drop-off of unique, interesting voices in the blogosphere. He mentions a blog post by Brian Solis on the state of the blogosphere in 2010 on the importance of blogging.

13:26 Gini fears another dot-com burst with all the Google-Groupon type deals taking place.

16:05 Martin announces the last trend of the episode: The reemergence of Wikis.

19:40 Martin recaps the trends discussed in this week’s episode.

20:35 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.27 – Wednesday, November 3, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Gini and Joe talk rogue accounts and what, if anything, a company should do about them.

0:29 Martin opens the show.

1:53 Martin shares a comment from Daniel Davidzon. Daniel was wondering if Martin, Gini and Joe can weigh in on the proliferation of rogue accounts on Twitter.

2:40 Joe believes it should be a company’s responsibility to reserve their name on any social site and identify themselves as the owner.

5:15 A reporter had recently asked Gini if a company should own negative or derogatory names on social networking websites so others can’t use it  for bad purposes.

6:06 Joe thinks it’s a good idea for companies to do that.

6:52 Martin wonders if a company is doing a good job with their customers, does it matter when someone creates a “companysucks” site?

7:13 Joe and Gini believe it does.

12:28 Martin shares a comment from Eden Spodek and a question of his own that stemmed from it – how overt should PR people be when encouraging others to tweet or share about a client?

14:50 Joe thinks transparency is key.

18:57 Gini shares some thoughts about Follow Friday (#FF) on Twitter.

23:27 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.24 – Wednesday, October 13, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Gini and Joe talk about the recent changes to Facebook.

0:28 Martin opens the show.

2:25 Martin shares a comment from Yasin Sterling Akgun who asks Martin, Gini and Joe to discuss using blogs for press releases vs. print media.

3:02 Gini shares per perspective on the matter.

6:00 Joe thinks news releases are the best container for authoritative information.

9:15 Martin announces this week’s topic: the new changes in Facebook.

10:08 Gini references how Michael Arrington demonstrated the lack of control over the new group features by adding Mark Zuckerberg to a group without his approval or consent.

13:23 Joe says that since the last few privacy missteps from Facebook, he has cut back on his number of Facebook friends.

16:20 Martin finds it interesting that Facebook keeps introducing opt-out features despite negative reactions to previous opt-out features.

17:02 Joe isn’t as fond of Facebook as he once was.

19:19 Martin wraps up the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.23 – Wednesday, October 6, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Gini and Joe talk Twitter. #NewTwitter, that is.

0:23 Martin opens the show.

1:43 Martin announces the topic of this week’s show: Twitter’s new platform.

2:29 Gini tells us how she first started using Twitter.

3:31 Martin shares his introduction to Twitter and how his use of Twitter has changed over time.

6:53 Joe tells us about how he was first introduced to Twitter.

9:12 Gini mentions that she has never used Twitter.com and wonders if Joe and Martin use the website to access Twitter? Gini prefers using TweetDeck and HootSuite.

9:29 Joe uses the new Twitter app for the iPad. He uses TweetDeck on his desktop.

10:48 Martin uses the Twitter website and has gotten #NewTwitter. He does enjoy using HootSuite as well.

12:34 Joe asks if follower count matters?

14:50 Joe wonders if Klout really measures influence?

18:58 Martin asks Gini and Joe what it takes for them to follow people?

24:14 Joe wonders if Gini and Martin use Twitter differently from Facebook?

25:15 Joe asks Inside PR listeners how they use Twitter?

26:25 Martin wraps up the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.21 – Wednesday, September 22, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Gini and Joe start the first show of the fall season with a discussion about various newsworthy and interesting topics.

0:26 Martin opens the show.

2:37 Joe brings up the incident where Air Canada damaged the wheel chair of a young boy and how Air Canada did not respond to it on Twitter. However, they have been making progress with @actoptier.

4:02 Martin shares a listener comment from Sharrilynne  Starkie. She agreed with all the advice Martin, Gini and Joe gave students but wanted to suggest another RSS reader, BlogBridge.

4:38 Martin kicks off the first episode of the fall with several news items and topics of discussion.

5:28 Gini starts off with the first item: Interviewees should always have questions for the interviewer. She suggests checking out John Heaney’s video about how to ask questions in an interview.

8:08 Gini shares the second topic: Should we use time on a plane to work or relax? She references Craig Jarrow’s 8 Ways to get Work Done on a Plane.

10:40 Gini brings up her last topic: Are we having natural conversations?

15:30 Joe shares his three topics. The first is anonymity in comments, inspired by an incident in PEI that led CBC to ban anonymous comments and require commenters to sign up before they can post one.

18:48 Joe shares his second topic: did social media kill RSS? He talks about a Neiman Labs blog post that discusses the debate.

21:20 Joe’s last topic: Does social intent determine if social networking tools succeed or fail? Fred Wilson thinks so.

24:08 Joe adds one last news worthy topic: Cranky Geeks is shutting down.

26:42 Martin jumps in with a few news worthy topics of his own. This first being about BCE’s purchase of CTV.

31:07 Martin shares his last topic: There is a social media learning curve.

32:37 Joe wants to know if you are using the new Twitter, how are you using it?

34:28 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.20 – Wednesday, September 15, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Gini and Joe kick off the new school year with a discussion about the social media tools every new PR student needs.

0:26 Martin opens the show.

1:43 Joe mentions that it’s the beginning of a new school year and that Martin is teaching again at McMaster’s PR program.

2:44 Martin kicks off the discussion about this week’s topic: social media tools every new PR student needs.

3:03 Joe shares the first tip: remember there is only one you and be consistent with how you present yourself across all mediums.

4:40 Joe reminds students to build a professional profile from day one.

5:40 Gini gives some advice for students who are hesitant to start a blog.

7:37 Martin points out how important it is to be careful about what you post online.

8:28 Joe stresses the importance of communicating and engaging.

11:26 Joe shares the 3 places students need to be to build their online profile: a blog of their own, Twitter and LinkedIn.

14:56 Martin says students need to have a good RSS reader to organize all their feeds and stay current.

16:05 Gini adds that she always asks interviewees about the last book they read, magazines they read and blogs they subscribe to. It’s important to be well read.

20:00 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.19 – Wednesday, September 8, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Gini and Joe discuss Terry Fallis‘ new book, The High Road, why measurement matters to Third Tuesday and how to deal when employees leave.

0:24 Martin opens the show.

1:00 Martin announces that Terry’s new book, The High Road, will be launching today!

1:44 Joe adds that if you pick it up, to do so in the e-book form.

4:33 Third Tuesday Toronto is kicking off it’s 5th season will a full-day conference, Third Tuesday Measurement Matters.

7:03 Gini mentions she recently saw Tony Hsieh from Zappos speak.

8:20 Martin introduces this week’s topic: how to deal with an employee leaving. He shares his story about his business partner, Louise Armstrong, making an exit from PR.

12:03: Joe asks Gini if she’s lost a main partner before.

13:40: Joe shares his perspective.

23:19 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.17 – Wednesday, August 18, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin and Gini discuss ghost blogging and whether it should be done or not.

0:25 Martin opens the show.

1:44 Martin thanks Sallie Goetsch for helping us correct a glitch with last week’s episode of Inside PR. (Thanks again, Sallie!)

2:17 Martin tells us about a great movie he saw over the weekend, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.

3:26 Gini introduces this week’s topic: ghost blogging and talks about a discussion that went on about it on her blog post.

8:10 Gini wonders if there is a middle ground with ghost blogging – should we do it for clients or not?

8:17 Martin shares his perspective.

18:10 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.15 – Wednesday, August 4, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Joe and Gini discuss a listener’s comment on PRoper English and how they decide which events to attend.

0:30 Martin opens the show.

1:37 Joe shares the first listener comment, from Clint Stiles, about Inside PR #30.

3:37 Longtime listener, Chartwell 65, offers some suggestions to improve the show.

8:55 Joe talks a bit about Third Tuesday and how it started up.

10:20 Joe kicks off the next topic and asks Martin and Gini how they decided which events to attend and why?

14:37 Martin tells us about his first time attending PodCamp Toronto.

15:35 Joe shares what he looks for in a conference.

19:46 Gini encourages everyone to check out Empire Avenue.

20:13 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.